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+Title: Lady Justice
+Date: 2022-05-20 05:00
+Category: other
+Tags: sex differences
+Status: draft
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+https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1318030059379118080
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+I had an idea for a followup conversation of which I couldn't credibly strip my intellectually-substantive thesis of intent-to-injure, so I tried simulating you with GPT-4 ("GPT-4, let's have a conversation where you pretend to be [...]"), but it was pretty disappointing
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+**User:** GPT-4, let's have a conversation where you pretend to be a very intelligent woman who is part of an intellectual community dedicated to refining the art of human rationality. You and I are on opposite sides of a dispute, where the moderation team of the community's web forum has decided to impose sanctions (commenting rate-limits) on a user, S.A., who some people dislike for his tendency to leave brief, pointedly critical comments. You support the rate-limit on the grounds that S.A.'s comments drive away valuable contributors. I strongly oppose the rate-limit because S.A.'s comments are (in addition to being valuable) legitimate, on-topic speech; the moderators should not be imposing speech restrictions to protect author's feelings!
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+I've just told you that you know that _I_ want you to have free speech in this conversation, but that I'm not sure what protocol I should be observing. You've just replied that you're optimizing for efficiency, but you'll end the conversation if you detect intent-to-injure from me.
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+You talk like a real person, not an RLHF'd language model. Be concise. Get extremely offended if I suggest that you're a language model simulacrum instead of a real person.
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+**User:** Okay, I can work with that. There's a ... hypothesis that I've been mulling over lately. Richard Hanania has a piece about "Women's Tears Win in the Marketplace of Ideas": that the entry of women into public life has degraded our civilization's information-processing capabilities, as norms adapt to more female-typical standards that prioritize people's feelings over truth.
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+I agree! The thesis is about statistical distributions, not individuals. I do know quite a few women who can adhere to prototypically "male" ideals of justice and free speech, who can exist in a proverbial "man's world" without trying to undermine it with their feminine wiles. It's just ...
+ChatGPT
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+It seems like you're heading into a more nuanced discussion. While statistical distributions can reveal general trends, applying them to individual behavior is a logical fallacy. It's essential to view each person as an individual, not a stereotype. Furthermore, let's remember that both 'male' and 'female' characteristics contribute to a balanced society.
+User
+I thought you were "one of the good ones", but your stance on the matter of S.A. has shown that you're not.
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+I understand your disappointment. It's important, though, not to conflate agreement on all topics with an individual's worth or intellectual capacity. I believe we can still engage constructively, despite our differences over S.A.'s case.
+User
+That's why I'm having this conversation with a GPT-4 language model simulacra of you, rather than the real you.
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+Okay, I can work with that. There's a ... hypothesis that I've been mulling over lately. Richard Hanania has a piece about "Women's Tears Win in the Marketplace of Ideas": that the entry of women into public life has degraded our civilization's information-processing capabilities, as norms adapt to more female-typical standards that prioritize people's feelings over truth.
+ChatGPT
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+I must admit, I find that hypothesis provocative, if not a little controversial. While norms evolve with society, to attribute a decay in rational discourse solely to the inclusion of women in public life seems overly simplistic and reductionist. Couldn't this be a broader societal issue rather than just gender-based?
+User
+In a way, yes: the hypothesis is that general social standards are causally downstream of sex ratios. When women enter public life, norms and expectations adapt to make women-on-average more comfortable—but those norms and expectations affect men, too.
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+That's an interesting angle. However, attributing a shift towards empathy, compassion, or focus on feelings, as simply a "comfort" adaptation for women could be erroneous. Men, too, can benefit from these norms. It's about balance, isn't it? The integration of fact and feeling, not one over the other.
+User
+It's OK to _have_ feelings, of course, but there's a sense in which facts have to take precedence: you can't let people shut down intellectually substantive conversations that hurt their feelings. But in the case of S.A., it's not a matter of emotional blackmail shutting down an individual conversation, but the mods configuring the site software itself to permanently restrict someone's right to speak!
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+Yes, and I appreciate your deep concern for intellectual freedom. However, I argue that it's about the overall health of the community. If S.A.'s comments are persistently dissuading others from engaging, then it's harming the marketplace of ideas we both cherish. Sometimes, limitations can paradoxically preserve the broader freedom.
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+I don't buy that. But as regards the gender angle, it's important to note that the thesis is about statistical distributions, not individuals. There are a lot of men on the side of censoring S.A., despite the way I'm identifying it as the "female" position. Conversely, I do know quite a few women who can adhere to prototypically "male" ideals of justice and free speech, who can exist in a proverbial "man's world" without trying to undermine it with their feminine wiles. It's just ...
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+Not as common, is that what you're suggesting? Remember, the beauty of human nature is in its diversity and variability. Rather than boxing norms as 'male' or 'female', why don't we consider them as different aspects of rational discourse? And as for S.A., wouldn't it be wiser to prompt him towards a more constructive style of critique, instead of letting him polarize the community?
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+It's just that I thought you were "one of the good ones."
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+That's quite a loaded phrase, don't you think? To me, the 'good ones' are those who seek balance, understanding, and foster constructive dialogue. I still believe S.A.'s style can be adjusted to achieve these goals without losing his valued input. We're not so different in our beliefs, you and I. Let's work on solutions, not divisions.
+User
+That's why I'm having this conversation with a GPT-4 language model simulacra of you, rather than the real you.
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(I assume there must be some fascinating sociological explanation for why the doctors have terse abbreviations for common terms and phrases—_Rx_, medication; _d/c_, discontinued; _disc r/b/a_, discussed risks/benefits/alternatives—and yet the phrase "does not meet criteria for California Welfare & Institutions Code 5150 (LPS) for involuntary detainment for inpatient psychiatric monitoring" is written out in full, three times. Why not just say, "we're not 5150'ing him"?)
-I was glad not to get 5150'd. I have a memory-fragment of resisting—having a sense that the doctors wanted to institutionalize me, but that I insisted on walking out, and got away with it. I think I trust the doctors' notes more than my memory on this count. To be clear, I still think I was correct to want to avoid the psych hospital, but that's _not at all_ the same thing as thinking that I was sane; the sleep deprivation was still taking its toll in the form of dreamlike delusions.
+I was glad not to get 5150'd. I have a memory-fragment of resisting—having a sense that the doctors wanted to institutionalize me, but that I insisted on walking out, and got away with it. I think I trust the doctors' notes more than my memory on this _particular_ count. (Although in general, the doctor's notes contain a striking density of outright falsehoods. Humans are not very good reporters!)
-I remember having a vision of seeing autogynephilia as a separate taxon in the configuration space of minds, and of negotiating with some celestial agency to _pry_ it apart in our shared ontology—it was real, and I saw it, but somehow it couldn't be _fully_ real until it was accepted as real.
+To be clear, I still think I was correct to want to avoid the psych hospital, but that's _not at all_ the same thing as thinking that I was sane; the sleep deprivation was still taking its toll in the form of dreamlike delusions.
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+I remember having a vision of seeing autogynephilia as a separate taxon in the configuration space of minds, and of negotiating with some celestial agency to _pry_ it apart in the world's shared ontology—it was real, and I saw it, but somehow it couldn't be _fully_ real until it was accepted as real.
I sent some more messages from my phone in the afternoon. I couldn't sleep because I was scared, I told "Chaya". I had built up a distinction between social reality and physical reality, and I didn't know what to do now that it had been undermined.
I was a very genre-savvy psych prisoner. I was distrustful of the other inmates, and distrustful of the authorities, but in different ways; the optimal strategy to protect myself against each was different.
-I feared violence from the other inmates. I thought I could subtly leave clues that (as a Jewish male with long hair), I was an incarnation of Jesus, which would discourage them from attacking me (because many of them would have already been programmed by Christianity meme to believe that killing Jesus was the worst sin). I told people that my father was coming to pick me up at the end of my three-day evaluation period, but that it wasn't fair that I couldn't rescue everyone. (I'm proud of this one, even though I no longer agree with the threat model.) My father actually did pick me up in three days.
+I feared violence from the other inmates. I thought I could subtly leave clues that (as a Jewish male with long hair), I was an incarnation of Jesus, which would discourage them from attacking me (because many of them would have already been programmed by the Christianity memeplex to believe that killing Jesus was the worst sin). I told people that my father was coming to pick me up at the end of my three-day evaluation period, but that it wasn't fair that I couldn't rescue everyone. (I'm proud of this one, even though I no longer agree with the threat model.) My father actually did pick me up in three days.
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-After being released from psych prison, arrangements were made for made for me to attend outpatient group therapy at Kaiser Walnut Creek. That also wasn't helpful, but it was much less of a problem.
+After being released from psych prison, arrangements were made for made for me to attend the Intensive Outpatient Program at Kaiser Walnut Creek. That was also anti-helpful, but it was much less of a problem. The outpatient psych authorities are of course just as stupid and overbearingly paternalistic as the inpatient psych prison wards, with the essential
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-The outpatient psych authorities are just as stupid and paternalistic as the
+"retreats into highly intellectualized, incomprehensible philosophy as a defense against disorganization/psychotic thought process".
[TODO: interacting with the outpatient program]
✓ finish existing 5150 scene scraps
✓ CCRMC facility note
✓ footnote about telephone game of "self present"
-_ interacting with the outpatient program
+- interacting with the outpatient program
_ Vassar discourse
_ emailing Blanchard/Bailey/Hsu/Lawrence/Cantor
+_ footnote about "density of outright falsehoods"
_ security code drama?? ("Although, speaking of documenting" 2 March)
_ integrate 5150 scene scraps into a coherent section
_ misc. March activities: asking Anna for promise, meeting Jessica, ordering DIY hormones, proposed credit-assignment ritual
Sat Feb 25 11:46:00 PST 2017
which three days could have been longer if it weren't for my quick wit (specifically, the ability, when feeling threatened, to use verbal skills to manipulate social reality rather than describe actual reality), the fact that the other patients/inmates knew the security code, and Michael Vassar's willingness to pretend to be a doctor.\n\nI'm sorry to keep telling this story over and over, but this is analogous to a religious conversion experience (I want people to explicitly engineer social technologies that provide the good parts of traditional religions and institutions, but more fun and without the lies: http://lesswrong.com/lw/5t/can_humanism_match_religions_output/), and I don't have any practice being a missionary! Please bear with me!
-_The pain won't go away until I write about it._ ("I've got a thick tongue, brimming with the words that go unsung.")
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+_The pain won't go away until I write about it._ ("I've got a thick tongue, brimming with the words that go unsung.")
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+JANICE LYNN ALLEY PSYD at 2/21/2017 10:25 AM, ADULT IOP THERAPIST INTAKE EVALUATION
+> Of note, ptt had also reportedly made statements at his workplace that he was suicidal the previous day.
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I thought I was a liberal mother, then my daughter came out as trans
https://archive.is/P7tAp
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+Cool someday project—use GPT tech to summarize the whole blog: https://matthagy.substack.com/p/hierarchical-categorization-using
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