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@@ -71,21 +71,23 @@ Natural language faces a similar backwards-compatibility trap. The English langu
 
 Bad language design? I mean, maybe! You could argue that! You could probably get a lot of Likes on Facebook arguing that! But if 370 million native English speakers _including you and virtually everyone who Liked your post_ are going to _continue_ automatically noticing what sex people are and using the corresponding pronouns without consciously thinking about it (in accordance with the "default for those-who-haven't-asked" clause of your reform proposal), then the criticism seems kind of idle!
 
-The "default for those-who-haven't-asked [going] by gamete size" part of Yudkowsky's proposal is _trying_ to deal with the backwards-compatibility problem by being backwards-compatible—recommending the same behavior in the vast majority of cases—but in doing so, it fails to accomplish its stated purpose of de-gendering the language. To _actually_ de-gender English, you'd need to _actually_ shatter the correlation between pronouns and sex/gender, such that a person's pronouns _were_ just an arbitrary extra piece of data—nothing to do with gender—that you needed to remember in the same way you have to remember people's names.
+The "default for those-who-haven't-asked [going] by gamete size" part of Yudkowsky's proposal is _trying_ to deal with the backwards-compatibility problem by being backwards-compatible—recommending the same behavior in the vast majority of cases—but in doing so, it fails to accomplish its stated purpose of de-gendering the language.
+
+To _actually_ de-gender English while keeping _she_ and _he_ (as contrasted to jumping to universal singular _they_, or _ve_), you'd need to _actually_ shatter the correlation between pronouns and sex/gender, such that a person's pronouns _were_ just an arbitrary extra piece of data that you needed to remember in the same way you have to remember people's names. But as far as I can tell, _no one_ wants this. When's the last time you heard someone you heard someone request pronouns for _non_-gender-related reasons? ("My pronouns are she/her—but note, that's _just_ because I prefer the aesthetics of how the pronouns sound; I'm _not_ in any way claiming that you should believe that I'm female, which isn't true.") Me neither.
+
+
 
 [TODO—
- * Given that sex-category information _is_ being transfered, the "Pronouns are Ryphnol" lady has a point
- * And preferred pronouns have the same function as the typographic attacks in the multimodal-neurons paper
+ * Given that sex-category information is _in fact_ being transfered, the "Pronouns are Ryphnol" lady has a point
+ * To relate this to Yudkowsky's specialty And preferred pronouns have the same function as the typographic attacks in the multimodal-neurons paper
+ * the people aligning language models should understand this
 ]
 
 
-Me neither.
-
 
 
 
 [OUTLINE of remainder—
- * The attempted backwards compatibility measure doesn't work; if people's behavior is still the same, then sex-category information is still being transfered; and, again, that was the motivation for the reform effort all along; in order to _actually_ de-gender language, you have to break the correlation: either go all-in on singular _they_, or somehow get people to establish and declare pronoun preferences that aren't about gender (which isn't what's going on in our world)
  * Yudkowsky's response to all this?—apparently, to play dumb!!
  * "I don't know what it's like in you head for a pronoun to map onto more than 'doesn't look like an Oliver'"—lies
     * Gumball example
@@ -97,6 +99,7 @@ Me neither.
 
 somewhere—
 * Douglas Hofstader also made fun of gendered pronouns with his "Person Paper"—but notice that he didn't even consider the self-chosen criterion!!
+* similarly, Ms. supplanted Mrs./Miss, rather than circularly redefining the latter
 * singular they for named individuals undermined indefinite singular 'they'
 ]
 

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@@ -394,3 +394,11 @@ When I protested that I wasn't expecting a science fictional Utopia of pure reas
 humans have honor instead of TDT. "That's right! I'm appealing to your honor!"
 
 The boundary must be drawn here! This far, and no further!
+
+> just the thought that there are people out there who wanted to be rationalists and then their experience of the rationalist community was relentlessly being told that trans women are actually men, and that this is obvious if you are rational, and a hidden truth most people are too cowardly to speak, until you retreat in misery and are traumatized by the entire experience of interacting with us....
+
+People change their opinion with the party line—similarly with Scott and Yud
+https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ajps.12550?campaign=woletoc
+
+"No one begins to truly search for the Way until their parents have failed them, their gods are dead, and their tools have shattered in their hand."
+https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1107874587822297089

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@@ -1878,6 +1878,13 @@ Still citing it (22 Mar 21): https://twitter.com/Cererean/status/137413052966726
 
 Still citing it (2 May 21)!!: https://eukaryotewritesblog.com/2021/05/02/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-tree/
 
+Still citing it (20 October 21): https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/qagtqk/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_october_18/hhdiyd1/
+
+Still citing it (21 October 21): https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/qcrhc4/can_someone_provide_an_overview_ofintroduction_to/hhkf6kk/
+
+The correctness of this post has been disputed at length: [object-level reply](http://unremediatedgender.space/2018/Feb/the-categories-were-made-for-man-to-make-predictions/), [meta-level reply (part 1)](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/esRZaPXSHgWzyB2NL/where-to-draw-the-boundaries), [meta-level reply (part 2)](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/onwgTH6n8wxRSo2BJ/unnatural-categories-are-optimized-for-deception), [supplementary material on dolphins/whales](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/vhp2sW6iBhNJwqcwP/blood-is-thicker-than-water)
+
+
 darwin2500 "Women's leagues are for women, trans women are women. That's all the justification needed" https://old.reddit.com/r/TheMotte/comments/hym5xb/culture_war_roundup_for_the_week_of_july_27_2020/fzvfres/
 
 another "Categories Were Made" cite, just as an example post: https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/i10p4m/survey_on_moving_ssc_to_substack/fzwkfqk/
@@ -2841,3 +2848,11 @@ autoponyphilia: http://pone.tf/
 
 Evidence of meta-attraction from "We Have Better Graphs" (2007)—
 OTOH there is no sum I would accept to become attracted to men, unless you _also_ made me a woman. (I should add that in that case I would have to meet a man who was a straight woman who made the reciprocal bargain.) So do I then have an erotic identity but _not_ a gender identity? Absurd!—but so obviously right?
+
+Littman study on detransitioners
+https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-021-02163-w.pdf
+
+https://twitter.com/hndcpstd/status/1450621296325316610
+>impressionable women exert huge collective sway over democracy
+>hypercompetitive men become trannies to leverage this
+>impressionable women become trannies too because they see the men doing it