From: M. Taylor Saotome-Westlake Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:38:53 +0000 (-0800) Subject: check in for clean repo for more progress X-Git-Url: http://534655.efjtl6rk.asia/source?a=commitdiff_plain;h=9be2ce663ba2e5c7236f874f73fb3e7bf8cb05f5;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git check in for clean repo for more progress If Wednesday was meh in several ways, that says nothing about today! --- diff --git a/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md b/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md index 8044524..6380451 100644 --- a/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md +++ b/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md @@ -412,15 +412,22 @@ In light of these _empirical_ observations, Yudkowsky's suggestion that an ignor Yudkowsky's pretension to merely have been standing up for the distinction between facts and policy questions isn't credible: if you _just_ wanted to point out that the organization of sports leagues is a policy question rather than a fact (as if anyone had doubted this), why would you throw in the "Aristotelian binary" strawman and belittle the matter as "humorous"? There are a lot of issues that I don't _personally_ care much about, but I don't see anything funny about the fact that other people _do_ care. -(And in this case, the empirical facts are _so_ lopsided, that if we must find humor in the matter, it really goes the other way. Lia Thomas trounces the entire field by _4.2 standard deviations_ (!!), and world-class public intellectuals like Eliezer Yudkowsky feel obligated to _pretend not to see the problem?_ You've got to admit, that's a _little_ bit funny.) +(And in this case, the empirical facts are _so_ lopsided, that if we must find humor in the matter, it really goes the other way. Lia Thomas trounces the entire field by _4.2 standard deviations_ (!!), and Eliezer Yudkowsky feels obligated to _pretend not to see the problem?_ You've got to admit, that's a _little_ bit funny.) + +[TODO—another example from the November 2018 thread— + +> I find the "(chromosomes?)" here very amusing. I am also a Yudkowskian, Eliezer; "female human" is a cluster in thingspace :) +https://twitter.com/EnyeWord/status/1068983389716385792 + +] [TODO outlining remainder of coda—] -Still, having analyzed the _ways_ in which Yudkowsky is playing dumb on this issue, what's still not entirely clear is _why_. Presumably Yudkowsky cares about maintaining his credibility as an insightful and fair-minded thinker. Why tarnish that by putting out such blatantly one-sided propaganda? Of course, presumably he _doesn't_ think he's tarnishing it—but why not? [He explains in the Facebook comments](https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10159421750419228?comment_id=10159421833274228&reply_comment_id=10159421901809228): +Still, having analyzed the _ways_ in which Yudkowsky is playing dumb on this issue, what's still not entirely clear is _why_. Presumably Yudkowsky cares about maintaining his credibility as an insightful and fair-minded thinker. Why tarnish that by putting out such blatantly one-sided propaganda [TODO: rephrase]? Of course, presumably he _doesn't_ think he's tarnishing it—but why not? [He explains in the Facebook comments](https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10159421750419228?comment_id=10159421833274228&reply_comment_id=10159421901809228): > it is sometimes personally prudent and not community-harmful to post your agreement with Stalin about things you actually agree with Stalin about, in ways that exhibit generally rationalist principles, especially because people do _know_ they're living in a half-Stalinist environment [...] I think people are better off at the end of that. -Ah, personal _prudence_! He continues: +Ah, _prudence_! He continues: > I don't see what the alternative is besides getting shot, or utter silence about everything Stalin has expressed an opinion on including "2 + 2 = 4" because if that logically counterfactually were wrong you would not be able to express an opposing opinion. diff --git a/notes/challenges-notes.md b/notes/challenges-notes.md index 36dde26..efa7408 100644 --- a/notes/challenges-notes.md +++ b/notes/challenges-notes.md @@ -20,6 +20,14 @@ Fit in somewhere— 4 levels of intellectual conversation https://rationalconspiracy.com/2017/01/03/four-layers-of-intellectual-conversation/ + +> But Twitter is at least not *ontologically confused* if they say that using preferred pronouns is courtesy, and claim that they're enforcing a courtesy standard. Replying "That's a lie! I will never lie!" is confused. +https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1067302082481274880 + + +> Lying about atheism, in a conv about atheism, is defecting in a coop effort about atheism. +https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1226605895091507200 + More Yudkowsky playing dumb— > What separates your stance from "I consider 'parmesan' to refer to only cheese from the Parma region in Italy and I don't appreciate being asked to lie"? @@ -116,3 +124,5 @@ Since the Whole Dumb Story is longer and harder to write, I hope it's OK if I _b The Sequences taught me some really important things about sex differences and why not to take my cross-sex fantasies literally; I wrote about this in ["Sexual Dimorphism in Yudkowsky's Sequences"](/2021/May/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-in-relation-to-my-gender-problems/) The ] + +https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/bounded-distrust diff --git a/notes/post_ideas.txt b/notes/post_ideas.txt index c02de54..08616c7 100644 --- a/notes/post_ideas.txt +++ b/notes/post_ideas.txt @@ -53,6 +53,7 @@ _ Link: Quillette on Sons Becoming Daughters _ Link: Babylon Bee "It's a Good Life" parody https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20ALZgd6_Ek LW— +_ Conflict Theory of Bounded Distrust: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/bounded-distrust _ Steering Towards Agreement Is Like Discouraging Betting _ Generic Consequentialists Are Liars _ Comment on "The Logic of Indirect Speech" (multi-receivers vs. uncertainty about a single recieiver)