From: M. Taylor Saotome-Westlake Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2022 05:50:34 +0000 (-0800) Subject: pull out the flower-break class again X-Git-Url: http://534655.efjtl6rk.asia/source?a=commitdiff_plain;h=9d2c9b45b8fd8e0243facdffaf221059e84c65bf;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git pull out the flower-break class again I don't want to put my courtroom story in a blockquote because it's not a quote. (And, while copying the tag, correcting some unnecessarily smart apostrophes) --- diff --git a/content/2018/reply-to-the-unit-of-caring-on-adult-human-females.md b/content/2018/reply-to-the-unit-of-caring-on-adult-human-females.md index dd066f3..35cc2de 100644 --- a/content/2018/reply-to-the-unit-of-caring-on-adult-human-females.md +++ b/content/2018/reply-to-the-unit-of-caring-on-adult-human-females.md @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ Tags: categorization, epistemology, sex differences, The Unit of Caring, termino The author of the (highly recommended!) Tumblr blog [_The Unit of Caring_ responds to](https://theunitofcaring.tumblr.com/post/171986501376/your-post-on-definition-of-gender-and-woman-and) an anonymous correspondent's observation that trans-exclusionary radical feminists tend to define the word _woman_ as "adult human biological female": -> Oh, yeah, sorry, I've heard that one too though I've yet to find anyone willing to justify it. If you can find anyone explaining why this is a good definition, or even explaining what good properties it has, I'd appreciate it because I did sincerely put in the effort and—uncharitably, it’s as if there’s just 'matches historical use' and 'doesn’t involve any people I consider icky being in my category'. +> Oh, yeah, sorry, I've heard that one too though I've yet to find anyone willing to justify it. If you can find anyone explaining why this is a good definition, or even explaining what good properties it has, I'd appreciate it because I did sincerely put in the effort and—uncharitably, it's as if there's just 'matches historical use' and 'doesn't involve any people I consider icky being in my category'. I'm happy to try to help if I can! diff --git a/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md b/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md index 5c7763f..21425d3 100644 --- a/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md +++ b/content/drafts/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md @@ -13,7 +13,7 @@ Status: draft > > —["The Lie" by Walter Raleigh](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/trb9HPWFk8Gy9MBdN/less-wrong-poetry-corner-walter-raleigh-s-the-lie) -[TODO: bulleted summary for the tl;dr crowd] +[TODO: summary points] [In a February 2021 Facebook post, Eliezer Yudkowsky inveighs against English's system of singular third-person pronouns](https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10159421750419228). As a matter of clean language design, English's lack of a gender-neutral singular third-person pronoun is a serious flaw. The function of pronouns is to have a brief way to refer back to entities already mentioned: it's more concise to be able to say "Katherine put her book on its shelf" rather than "Katherine put Katherine's book on the book's shelf". But then why couple that grammatical function to sex-category membership? You shouldn't _need_ to take a stance on someone's sex in order to talk about [her or](/2020/Apr/the-reverse-murray-rule/) him putting a book on the shelf. @@ -191,31 +191,35 @@ Again, without attributing to Yudkowsky any _conscious, deliberative_ intent to Well, I'm not a world-acclaimed fiction author with thousands of fans, but if Yudkowsky claims not to be up to this writing challenge, I'm happy to give him a hand and show him how it might be done— -> A cis woman is testifying in court about a brutal rape that horrifically traumatized her. The rapist has since transitioned. -> -> "And then—" says the victim, reliving those awful moments, "and then, he took his erect penis—" -> -> "Objection!" says the defense lawyer. "The witness misgendering my client is prejudicial." -> -> "Sustained," says the judge. Then, to the victim: "_Her_ erect penis." -> -> "Wh—what?" says the victim. -> -> "You will refer to the defendant with the correct pronoun, or I'll hold you in contempt of court." -> -> "Oh. O–okay. And then she took her—" The victim breaks down crying. "I'm sorry, Your Honor; I can't do it. I'm under oath; I have to tell the story the way it happened to me. In my memories, the person who did those things to me was a man. A—" -> -> She hesistates, sobs a few more times. In this moment, almost more painful than the memories of the assault, she is very conscious of having never been to college. The judge and the defense lawyer are smarter and more educated than her, and they believe her rapist is now a woman. It had never made any sense to her—but how could she explain to an authority who she had no hope of out-arguing? -> -> "And by 'man', I mean—a male. The way I was raised, men—males—get called _he_ and _him_. If I say _she_, it doesn't feel true to the memory in my head. It—it feels like lying, Your Honor." -> -> The judge scoffs. "You are _ontologically_ confused," he sneers. "At age 13 I was programming on LambdaMOO where people had their choice of exotic pronouns and nobody thought anything of it," says the judge. "Denied." -> -> "O-okay," says the victim. She doesn't know what _ontologically_ means, or what a LambdaMOO is. "So then—then sh-she took her erect penis and she—" -> -> She breaks down crying again. "Your Honor, I can't! I can't do it! It's not true! It's not—" She senses that the judge will imply she's stupid for saying it's not true. She gropes for some way of explaining. "I mean—the Court allows people to testify in Spanish or Chinese with the help of a translator, right? Can't you treat my testimony like that? Let me say what happened to me in the words that seems true to me, even if the court does its business using words in a different way?" -> -> "You're in contempt," says the judge. "Baliff! Take her away!" +

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+ +A cis woman is testifying in court about a brutal rape that horrifically traumatized her. The rapist has since transitioned. + +"And then—" says the victim, reliving those awful moments, "and then, he took his erect penis—" + +"Objection!" says the defense lawyer. "The witness misgendering my client is prejudicial." + +"Sustained," says the judge. Then, to the victim: "_Her_ erect penis." + +"Wh—what?" says the victim. + +"You will refer to the defendant with the correct pronoun, or I'll hold you in contempt of court." + +"Oh. O–okay. And then she took her—" The victim breaks down crying. "I'm sorry, Your Honor; I can't do it. I'm under oath; I have to tell the story the way it happened to me. In my memories, the person who did those things to me was a man. A—" + +She hesistates, sobs a few more times. In this moment, almost more painful than the memories of the assault, she is very conscious of having never been to college. The judge and the defense lawyer are smarter and more educated than her, and they believe her rapist is now a woman. It had never made any sense to her—but how could she explain to an authority who she had no hope of out-arguing? + +"And by 'man', I mean—a male. The way I was raised, men—males—get called _he_ and _him_. If I say _she_, it doesn't feel true to the memory in my head. It—it feels like lying, Your Honor." + +The judge scoffs. "You are _ontologically_ confused," he sneers. "At age 13 I was programming on LambdaMOO where people had their choice of exotic pronouns and nobody thought anything of it," says the judge. "Denied." + +"O-okay," says the victim. She doesn't know what _ontologically_ means, or what a LambdaMOO is. "So then—then sh-she took her erect penis and she—" + +She breaks down crying again. "Your Honor, I can't! I can't do it! It's not true! It's not—" She senses that the judge will imply she's stupid for saying it's not true. She gropes for some way of explaining. "I mean—the Court allows people to testify in Spanish or Chinese with the help of a translator, right? Can't you treat my testimony like that? Let me say what happened to me in the words that seems true to me, even if the court does its business using words in a different way?" + +"You're in contempt," says the judge. "Baliff! Take her away!" + +

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Not a sympathetic character? Not even a little bit? @@ -245,7 +249,7 @@ Really, "I do not know what it feels like from the inside to feel like a pronoun [TODO: at this point some readers may be puzzled as to why this is worth making a fuss over, if I'm _not_ objecting to Yudkowsky's pronoun usage. Why do I think having a slightly different _rationale_ for the same policy (don't misgender trans people) is worth the effort of a 10K word bile-filled essay?] -I guess for me, the issue is that this is a question where _I need the correct answer in order to decide whether or not to cut my dick off_. Let me explain. +I guess for me, the issue is that this is a question where _I need the correct answer in order to decide whether or not to cut my dick off_. [TODO: don't flamebait] Let me explain. As a good cis ally, you're told that trans people know who they are and you need to respect that [on pain of being responsible for someone's suicide](/2018/Jan/dont-negotiate-with-terrorist-memeplexes/). While politically convenient for people who have _already_ transitioned and don't want anyone second-guessing their identity, I think this view is actually false. Humans don't have an atomic "gender identity" that they just _know_, which has no particular properties other than it not being recognized by others being worse than death. Rather, there are a variety of reasons why someone might feel sad about being the sex that they are, and wish they could be the other sex instead, which is called "gender dysphoria."