From: M. Taylor Saotome-Westlake Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2023 02:22:23 +0000 (-0800) Subject: memoir: outlining prep for Eliezerfic fight X-Git-Url: http://534655.efjtl6rk.asia/source?a=commitdiff_plain;h=a0893709777b0d4d55a5702536aa22aeb7749e54;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git memoir: outlining prep for Eliezerfic fight --- diff --git a/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md b/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md index 50022b6..9876f93 100644 --- a/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md +++ b/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md @@ -795,7 +795,9 @@ https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards Decem [TODO: the Death With Dignity era April 2022 -"Death With Dignity" isn't really an update; he used to refuse to give a probability, and now he says the probability is ~0 +"Death With Dignity" isn't really an update; he used to refuse to give a probability but that FAI was "impossible", and now he says the probability is ~0 + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/nCvvhFBaayaXyuBiD/shut-up-and-do-the-impossible * swimming to shore analogy @@ -812,30 +814,37 @@ https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards Decem ] [TODO: - * January 2022 - * I wrote to him asking if he cared if I said negative things about him, that it would be easier if he wouldn't hold it against me, and explained my understanding of the privacy norm - * in retrospect, I was wrong to ask that. I _do_ hold it against him. And if I'm entitled to my feelings, isn't he entitled to his? - * Is this the hill _he_ wants to die on? The pronouns post mentions "while you can still get away with disclaimers", referring to sanction from the outside world, as if he won't receive any sanction from his people, because he owns us. That's wrong. Yudkowsky as a person doesn't own me; the Sequences-algorithm does - -If the world is ending either way, wouldn't it be more dignified for him to die _without_ Stalin's dick in his mouth? +Is this the hill _he_ wants to die on? If the world is ending either way, wouldn't it be more dignified for him to die _without_ Stalin's dick in his mouth? * Maybe not? If "dignity" is a term of art for log-odds of survival, maybe self-censoring to maintain influence over what big state-backed corporations are doing is "dignified" in that sense - ] -After the September 2021 Twitter altercation, I updgraded my "mute" of @ESYudkowsky to a "block", to avoid the temptation to pick more fights. +After the September 2021 Twitter altercation, I upgraded my "mute" of @ESYudkowsky to a "block", to avoid the temptation to pick more fights. -I still had more things to say—a reply to the February 2021 post on pronoun reform, and the present memoir telling this Whole Dumb Story—but those could be written and published unilaterally. Given that we weren't actually going to get to clarity and resolution, I didn't need to bid for any more of my ex-hero's attention and waste more of his time; I owed him that much. +I still had more things to say—a reply to the February 2021 post on pronoun reform, and the present memoir telling this Whole Dumb Story—but those could be written and published unilaterally. Given that we clearly weren't going to get to clarity and resolution, I didn't need to bid for any more of my ex-hero's attention and waste more of his time; I owed him that much. [TODO last email and not bothering him— + * Although, as I struggled to write, I noticed I was wasting cycles + * January 2022, I wrote to him asking if he cared if I said negative things about him, that it would be easier if he wouldn't hold it against me, and explained my understanding of the privacy norm (Subject: "blessing to speak freely, and privacy norms?") + * in retrospect, I was wrong to ask that. I _do_ hold it against him. And if I'm entitled to my feelings, isn't he entitled to his? +] -Although, as I struggled to write, I noticed I was - -(Subject: "blessing to speak freely, and privacy norms?") - +[TODO "Challenges" + * the essential objections: you can't have it both ways; we should _model the conflict_ instead of taking a side in it while pretending to be neutral + * eventually shoved out the door in March + * I flip-flopped back and forth a lot about whether to include the coda about the political metagame, or to save it for the present memoir; I eventually decided to keep the post object-level + * I felt a lot of trepidation publishing a post that said, "I'm better off because I don't trust Eliezer Yudkowsky to tell the truth" + * Critical success! Oli's comment + * I hoped he saw it (but I wasn't going to email or Tweet at him about it, in keeping with my intent not to bother the guy anymore) ] [TODO background on Planecrash, medianworlds, dath ilan, Keepers, masochism coverup— + * Yudkowsky's new fiction project is about Keltham out of dath ilan dying in a plane crash and waking up in the world of _Pathfinder_, and Dungeons-and-Dragons-alike setting. + * dath ilan came out of a 2014 April Fool's Day post, which listed BDSM and macroeconomics as something Earth was doing write + * later retconned to be a Yudkowsky medianworld (use my notes from "Another Me I haven't Met" to explain this), the Word of God calls them the "eliezera" + * Glowfic is a collaborative fiction format initiated by Alicorn; it was originally hosted on dreamwidth (a LiveJournal clone), but they've since got their own website built + * dath ilan's Society is steered by Keepers of Unpleasant Truths That Sometimes Important to Know; everyone in this Society receives rationality training, but Keepers receive special training that would damage most people's humanity or happiness + * Keltham discovers that he's an obligate sexual sadist, but dath ilan has hidden this from him for his own happiness (The title is a pun, referring to both the airplane crash leading to Keltham's death in dath ilan, and how his resurrection in Golarion collides dath ilan with [the "planes" of existence of the _Pathfinder_ universe](https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Great_Beyond).) diff --git a/notes/memoir-sections.md b/notes/memoir-sections.md index 265280e..3733e17 100644 --- a/notes/memoir-sections.md +++ b/notes/memoir-sections.md @@ -18,6 +18,9 @@ _ Michael Vassar and the Theory of Optimal Gossip _ psychiatric disaster With internet available— +_ tag giving full name of Keepers +_ 2014 April Fool's Day confession +_ Keltham's masochism insight _ archive.is Nov. 2016 Scott Tumblr pushback _ check summary of Nov. 2016 link _ Smallpox Eradication Day @@ -1776,8 +1779,6 @@ What's the difference? Are there _generalizable reasons_ why fraud isn't worth i What is "It would be OK in dath ilan, but it's not OK on Earth" even supposed to _mean_, if it's not just, "It's OK for people who genetically resemble Eliezer Yudkowsky to deceive the world as long as they have a clever story for why it's all for the greater good, but it's not OK for you, because you're genetically inferior to him"? -(I was fine with the arrogance in the Sequences, when it seemed like a harmless stylistic affectation during some really valuable lessons, but if "Eliezer Yudkowsky is smarter than you" now just _is the lesson_, it seems like a very different lesson) - https://discord.com/channels/936151692041400361/1022006828718104617/1047374488645402684 A. J. Vermillion seems to be complaining that by not uncritically taking the author assertions at face value, I'm breaking the rules of the literary-criticism game—that if the narrator _says_ Civilization was designed to be trustworthy, I have no license to doubt that is "actually" is. @@ -1866,10 +1867,6 @@ The standard I'm appealing to is, "It's intellectually dishonest to make argumen ---- -https://discord.com/channels/936151692041400361/1022006828718104617/1054235592961048609 -> rather than, as is more often the case in dath ilan stories, a depiction of a better institution you could build if people were eliezera - -(eliezera racial supremacy _is_ the lesson) Fool! There is no Equilibrium