From: M. Taylor Saotome-Westlake Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 06:30:17 +0000 (-0800) Subject: check in X-Git-Url: http://534655.efjtl6rk.asia/source?a=commitdiff_plain;h=ae375dbd41146de5df4669b1dbba73d5fb13748b;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git check in --- diff --git a/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md b/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md index ed8111b..3acdb1d 100644 --- a/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md +++ b/content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md @@ -621,7 +621,7 @@ After a little more thought, I decided the thread _was_ overtly objectionable, a * It wouldn't be so bad if he weren't trying to sell himself as a religious leader, and profiting from the conflation of rationalist-someone-who-cares-about-reasoning, and rationalist-member-of-robot-cult - * But he does, in fact, seem to actively encourage this conflation (contrast to how the Sequences had a [Litany Against Gurus](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/t6Fe2PsEwb3HhcBEr/the-litany-against-gurus) these days, with the way he sneers as Earthlings and post-rats + * But he does, in fact, seem to actively encourage this conflation (contrast to how the Sequences had a [Litany Against Gurus](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/t6Fe2PsEwb3HhcBEr/the-litany-against-gurus) these days, with the way he sneers as Earthlings and post-rats) * "I may as well do it on Earth" @@ -649,11 +649,12 @@ sneering at post-rats; David Xu interprets criticism of Eliezer as me going "ful > Also: speaking as someone who's read and enjoyed your LW content, I do hope this isn't a sign that you're going full post-rat. It was bad enough when QC did it (though to his credit QC still has pretty decent Twitter takes, unlike most post-rats). https://twitter.com/davidxu90/status/1435106339550740482 -] https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1435856644076830721 > The error in "Not Man for the Categories" is not subtle! After the issue had been brought to your attention, I think you should have been able to condemn it: "Scott's wrong; you can't redefine concepts in order to make people happy; that's retarded." It really is that simple! 4/6 +] + [David Xu writes](https://twitter.com/davidxu90/status/1436007025545125896) (with Yudkowsky ["endors[ing] everything [Xu] just said"](https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1436025983522381827)): @@ -737,14 +738,9 @@ I don't doubt Yudkowsky could come up with some clever casuistry why, _technical [TODO: elaborate on how 2007!Yudkowsky and 2021!Xu are saying the opposite things if you just take a plain-language reading and consider, not whether individual sentences can be interpreted as "true", but what kind of _optimization_ the text is doing to the behavior of receptive readers] - -On the offhand chance that Eliezer Yudkowsky happens to be reading this—if someone _he_ trusts (MIRI employees?) genuinely thinks it would be good for the lightcone to bring this paragraph to his attention—he should know that if he _wanted_ to win back _some_ of the trust and respect he's lost from me and everyone I can influence—not _all_ of it, but _some_ of it[^some-of-it]—I think it would be really easy. All he would have to do is come clean about the things he's _already_ misled people about. - -[^some-of-it]: Coming clean _after_ someone writes a 80,000 word memoir explaining how dishonest you've been, engenders less trust than coming clean spontenously of your own accord. - I don't, actually, expect people to spontaneously blurt out everything they believe to be true, that Stalin would find offensive. "No comment" would be fine. Even selective argumentation that's _clearly labeled as such_ would be fine. (There's no shame in being an honest specialist who says, "I've mostly thought about these issues though the lens of ideology _X_, and therefore can't claim to be comprehensive; if you want other perspectives, you'll have to read other authors and think it through for yourself.") -What's _not_ fine is selective argumentation while claiming "confidence in [your] own ability to independently invent everything important that would be on the other side of the filter and check it [yourself] before speaking" when you _very obviously have done no such thing_. That's _not_ "no commment"! Having _already_ chosen to comment, he can't reasonably expect any self-respecting rationalist to take his "epistemic hero" bluster seriously if he's not going to reply to the obvious objections to have been made with standing and warrant. To wit— +What's _not_ fine is selective argumentation while claiming "confidence in [your] own ability to independently invent everything important that would be on the other side of the filter and check it [yourself] before speaking" when you _very obviously have done no such thing_. That's _not_ "no commment"! Having _already_ chosen to comment, he can't reasonably expect any self-respecting rationalist to take his "epistemic hero" bluster seriously if he's not going to reply to the obvious objections to have been made with standing and warrant. * Yudkowsky is _on the record_ [claiming that](https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10154078468809228) "for people roughly similar to the Bay Area / European mix", he is "over 50% probability at this point that at least 20% of the ones with penises are actually women". What ... does that mean? What is the _truth condition_ of the word 'woman' in that sentence? This can't be the claim that 20% of males would benefit from a gender transition, and in that sense _become_ "transsexual women"; the claim stated in the post is that members of this group are _already_ "actually women", "female-minds-in-male-bodies". How does Yudkowsky reconcile this claim with the perponderance of male-typical rather than female-typical behavior in this group (_e.g._, in gynephilic sexual orientation, or [in vocational interests](/2020/Nov/survey-data-on-cis-and-trans-women-among-haskell-programmers/))? On the other hand, if Yudkowsky changed his mind and no longer believes that 20% of Bay Area males of European descent have female brains, can he state that for the public record? _Reply!_ @@ -766,9 +762,6 @@ Again, that's the administrator of Yudkowsky's _own website_ saying that he's de If Yudkowsky _wants_ to reply—if he _wants_ to try to win back some of the trust and respect he's lost from me—he's totally _welcome_ to. (_I_ don't censor my comment sections of people whom it "looks like it would be unhedonic to spend time interacting with".) -[TODO: I've given up talking to the guy (nearest unblocked strategy sniping in Eliezerfic doesn't count), my last email, giving up on hero-worship I don't want to waste any more of his time. I owe him that much. - * like a crazy ex-girlfriend (["I have no underlying issues to address / I'm certifiably cute, and adorably obsessed"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMHz6FiRzS8)) -] [TODO: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MnFqyPLqbiKL8nSR7/my-experience-at-and-around-miri-and-cfar-inspired-by-zoe October 2021 https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards December 2021 @@ -790,6 +783,11 @@ https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards Decem /2017/Jan/from-what-ive-tasted-of-desire/ ] + +[TODO: I've given up talking to the guy (nearest unblocked strategy sniping in Eliezerfic doesn't count), my last email, giving up on hero-worship I don't want to waste any more of his time. I owe him that much. + * like a crazy ex-girlfriend (["I have no underlying issues to address / I'm certifiably cute, and adorably obsessed"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMHz6FiRzS8)) +] + [TODO: * January 2022 * I wrote to him asking if he cared if I said negative things about him, that it would be easier if he wouldn't hold it against me, and explained my understanding of the privacy norm diff --git a/content/drafts/if-clarity-seems-like-death-to-them.md b/content/drafts/if-clarity-seems-like-death-to-them.md index 252e0ed..8c60639 100644 --- a/content/drafts/if-clarity-seems-like-death-to-them.md +++ b/content/drafts/if-clarity-seems-like-death-to-them.md @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ Status: draft > "—but if one hundred thousand normies can turn up, to show their support for the rationalist community, why can't you?" > -> I said wearily, "Because every time I hear the word _community_, I know I'm being manipulated. If there is such a thing as _the rationalist community_, I'm certainly not a part of it. As it happens, I don't want to spend my life watching _rationalist and effective altruist_ television channels, using _rationalist and effective altruist_ new systems ... or going to _rationalist and effective altruist_ street parades. It's all so ... proprietary. You'd think there was a multinational corporation who had the franchise rights on truth and goodness. And if you don't _market the product_ their way, you're some kind of second-class, inferior, bootleg, unauthorized nerd." +> I said wearily, "Because every time I hear the word _community_, I know I'm being manipulated. If there is such a thing as _the rationalist community_, I'm certainly not a part of it. As it happens, I don't want to spend my life watching _rationalist and effective altruist_ television channels, using _rationalist and effective altruist_ news systems ... or going to _rationalist and effective altruist_ street parades. It's all so ... proprietary. You'd think there was a multinational corporation who had the franchise rights on truth and goodness. And if you don't _market the product_ their way, you're some kind of second-class, inferior, bootleg, unauthorized nerd." > > —"Cocoon" by Greg Egan (paraphrased)[^egan-paraphrasing] diff --git a/notes/memoir-sections.md b/notes/memoir-sections.md index 9fa8e4f..727f72c 100644 --- a/notes/memoir-sections.md +++ b/notes/memoir-sections.md @@ -1877,4 +1877,7 @@ Namespace on standing and warrant— https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pC74aJyCRgns6atzu/meta-discussion-from-circling-as-cousin-to-rationality?commentId=c7Xt5AnHwhfgYY67K I've been playing a Dagny Taggart strategy -https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1606718513267486721 \ No newline at end of file +https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1606718513267486721 + +Michael 19 April 2019— +> Intellectualism to survive, has to distinguish between having been betrayed and having been defeated. The difference is frequently known as "courage". It's absence causes people like Aaronson, without ever becoming complicit, to nonetheless transition directly from denial of a crisis to advocacy of "The Kolmagorov Option". diff --git a/notes/notes.txt b/notes/notes.txt index d824988..544e593 100644 --- a/notes/notes.txt +++ b/notes/notes.txt @@ -3241,3 +3241,9 @@ https://www.thefp.com/p/an-existential-threat-to-doing-good https://www.thecut.com/article/hola-papi-feeling-phony-after-transitioning.html +https://parrhesia.substack.com/p/rationalism-done-right +https://parrhesia.substack.com/p/womanhood-is-not-like-parenthood +https://parrhesia.substack.com/p/do-transgender-people-exist +https://parrhesia.substack.com/p/if-you-dont-talk-about-genetic-enhancement + +https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/232321/it-hurts-to-know-that-my-family-sees-me-as-an-egg-waiting-to-crack diff --git a/notes/wordcounts.txt b/notes/wordcounts.txt index 17de320..5f3ab10 100644 --- a/notes/wordcounts.txt +++ b/notes/wordcounts.txt @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ wc -w 2022/* 2021/* 2020/* 2019/* 2018/* 2017/* 2016/* | sort -n -s -k1,1 1005 2017/the-line-in-the-sand-or-my-slippery-slope-anchoring-action-plan.md 1044 2017/lesser-known-demand-curves.md 1099 2020/cloud-vision.md - 1222 2020/memento-mori.md + 1223 2020/memento-mori.md 1238 2021/point-man.md 1456 2019/self-identity-is-a-schelling-point.md 1521 2018/blame-me-for-trying.md @@ -11,8 +11,8 @@ wc -w 2022/* 2021/* 2020/* 2019/* 2018/* 2017/* 2016/* | sort -n -s -k1,1 1704 2019/the-social-construction-of-reality-and-the-sheer-goddamned-pointlessness-of-reason.md 1733 2022/student-dysphoria-and-a-previous-lifes-war.md 1910 2021/there-should-be-a-closetspace-lease-bound-crossover-fic.md - 1927 2017/hormones-day-156-developments-doubts-and-pulling-the-plug-or-putting-the-cis-in-decision.md - 1968 2016/joined.md + 1928 2017/hormones-day-156-developments-doubts-and-pulling-the-plug-or-putting-the-cis-in-decision.md + 1970 2016/joined.md 1977 2018/dont-negotiate-with-terrorist-memeplexes.md 2059 2020/book-review-the-origins-of-unfairness.md 2068 2018/untitled-metablogging-26-december-2018.md @@ -22,11 +22,12 @@ wc -w 2022/* 2021/* 2020/* 2019/* 2018/* 2017/* 2016/* | sort -n -s -k1,1 2774 2017/memoirs-of-my-recent-madness-part-i-the-unanswerable-words.md 3682 2022/comment-on-a-scene-from-planecrash-crisis-of-faith.md 3760 2018/reply-to-the-unit-of-caring-on-adult-human-females.md + 4046 2022/context-is-for-queens.md 6523 2018/the-categories-were-made-for-man-to-make-predictions.md - 11013 2020/book-review-human-diversity.md + 11014 2020/book-review-human-diversity.md 12011 2022/challenges-to-yudkowskys-pronoun-reform-proposal.md - 15736 2021/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-in-relation-to-my-gender-problems.md -127236 total + 15737 2021/sexual-dimorphism-in-the-sequences-in-relation-to-my-gender-problems.md +131288 total 1491 algorithms_of_deception.md @@ -42,15 +43,18 @@ wc -w 2022/* 2021/* 2020/* 2019/* 2018/* 2017/* 2016/* | sort -n -s -k1,1 6594 unnatural_categories_are_optimized_for_deception.md (W.I.P.) -$ wc content/drafts/blanchards-dangerous-idea-and-the-plight-of-the-lucid-crossdreamer.md content/drafts/a-hill-of-validity-in-defense-of-meaning.md content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md +$ wc content/drafts/blanchards-dangerous-idea-and-the-plight-of-the-lucid-crossdreamer.md content/drafts/a-hill-of-validity-in-defense-of-meaning.md content/drafts/if-clarity-seems-like-death-to-them.md content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md 386 11516 79204 content/drafts/blanchards-dangerous-idea-and-the-plight-of-the-lucid-crossdreamer.md - 1141 36393 246385 content/drafts/a-hill-of-validity-in-defense-of-meaning.md - 536 15035 98747 content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md - 2063 62944 424336 total - + 595 22688 154856 content/drafts/a-hill-of-validity-in-defense-of-meaning.md + 659 16786 111950 content/drafts/if-clarity-seems-like-death-to-them.md + 807 22950 155951 content/drafts/agreeing-with-stalin-in-ways-that-exhibit-generally-rationalist-principles.md + 2447 73940 501961 total words per year— +2022: 31900 (total); 29600 (UUT), 2300 (LW) 2021: 43300 (total); 21600 (UUT), 21700 (LW) 2020: 42400 (total); 23900 (UUT), 18500 (LW) 2019: 30200 (total); 10500 (UUT), 19700 (LW) -2018: 18700 (UUT) +2018: 18700 (UUT) +2017: 20900 (UUT) +2016: 5900 (UUT)