From: Zack M. Davis Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 23:22:03 +0000 (-0700) Subject: check in X-Git-Url: http://534655.efjtl6rk.asia/source?a=commitdiff_plain;h=c73d43f9396c2ad7b1a8b5fcf45aa4bb4d11c4af;p=Ultimately_Untrue_Thought.git check in --- diff --git a/notes/critical_acclaim.md b/notes/critical_acclaim.md index ff2fbe9..06e6914 100644 --- a/notes/critical_acclaim.md +++ b/notes/critical_acclaim.md @@ -175,6 +175,7 @@ https://twitter.com/typedfemale/status/1680409277952065537 >> my long con is contributing patches to rust so i can later shill blanchard's transsexualism typology on my personal twitter account, all to piss off the rust community as punishment for their suffocating wokeness > >lesswrong is hitting so different these days 😳 +(13 retweets / 298 Likes / 45.2K views) https://twitter.com/mutual_ayyde/status/1680444686169960448 > this is shit i'd rather commit suicide over admitting oh my god @@ -191,3 +192,23 @@ https://twitter.com/mutual_ayyde/status/1680445977109626881 https://twitter.com/pawnofcthulhu/status/1680457016773595137 > man > at the end of the day i can't help but have any reaction to zack-m-davisism other than "this is an exotic flower of an ideology that can't grow anywhere else but this greenhouse we've built" + + +https://twitter.com/radgendervibes/status/1680457834591588355 +> Get over yourself, get over your misogyny, and get back on hormones before you fucking kill yourself from the despair we all feel. This shit isn't a fucking game, I hope you have a good life <3 + +https://twitter.com/Lavender_2115/status/1681490996528398337 +> I didn't read the whole thing but this might be the saddest eggpost I've ever read. + +https://twitter.com/alyssamvance/status/1681441114384109568 +> I'm pretty moderate, but I really disagree with LessWrong that trans people are universally sexual predators who should be burned at the stake +(2 retweets / 140 Likes / 21.3K views) + +https://awful.systems/post/130 + +https://twitter.com/adrusi/status/1681782160984883201 +> sure. i just dont know if that means he's necessarily self-hating +> +> like, obviously it's not a good sign, but I don't know him well enough on a personal level to be willing to say that +> +> where 2017-zack... was on a different level diff --git a/notes/memoir-sections.md b/notes/memoir-sections.md index 96fcc92..cad14a1 100644 --- a/notes/memoir-sections.md +++ b/notes/memoir-sections.md @@ -1,28 +1,8 @@ -_ mention "special simulator attention" in cxn with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_of_reference_and_delusions_of_reference -_ pt. 1 end needs to mention BABSCon (back referenced) -_ born five years too early -_ you didn't do a good job explaining to me why someone would think that being bullied into selective silence doesn't constitute a conflict strategy -_ psych ward vs. psych hospital -_ running away to Burlingame; Hamilton tickets -_ "counterfactual boyfriend"/It's California in the year 2016?? -_ "people with fragile identities" dialogue doesn't fit the flow, probably cut or move -_ get exact dates and correct Sequencing on late 2016 conversations -_ mention Michael's influence and South Park recs in late 2016? -_ re Persongen, footnote or sentences about how I knew I was wrong to use naïve-Bayes on facets, but I didn't know what was right -_ footnote to explain why I always include the year with the month even though it could be inferred from context -_ address the "maybe it's good to be called names" point from "Hill" thread -_ better explanation of posse formation -_ explain why I'm not being charitable in 2018 thread analysis, that at the time, I thought it had to be a mistake - ----------------- - _ "Lenore" psychiatric disaster - Eliezerfic fight conclusion _ Michael Vassar and the Theory of Optimal Gossip _ plan to reach out to Rick - - regrets, wasted time, conclusion - _ reaction to Ziz _ State of Steven _ culture off the rails; my warning points to Vaniver @@ -36,12 +16,6 @@ _ Dolphin War finish ------ With internet available— -_ "All You Zombies" -_ links to PA hospitals -_ link to my Facebook posts on Azkaban, prematuring conceding the bet, and correcting the bet record -_ what did the comments on my Pittsburg/Azkaban post say? -_ check that the Feb. Blanchard Tweet is the one with the screenshot-quote -_ link to Kevin Hsu and James Cantor _ Is http://www.overcomingbias.com/2011/01/be-a-charity-angel.html the best link for after-the-fact prize funding? _ P(doom) _ Michael on OB in 'aught-eight on smart kids internalizing rules meant for the norm of reaction of a dumber population @@ -56,7 +30,6 @@ _ etymology of "Arcadia" _ double-check EnyeWord in archive.is? _ Eliezerfic fight: where did the super-AIDS example fit in cronologically? _ Keltham/Peranza exam answer should link specific tags -_ Susan Fenimore Cooper _ IQ 143 cite _ double-check "the mood I thought dath ilan was missing" link target _ double-check "the power that could not be removed" quote @@ -200,6 +173,12 @@ _ update "80,000 words" refs with the near-final wordcount _ the "outright bad faith" clause in "Your Price for Joining" _ "Riley" pointing out that it worked better because it was Oli _ I should respond to Ziz's charges that my criticism of concept-policing was a form of concept-policing +_ mention "special simulator attention" in cxn with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_of_reference_and_delusions_of_reference +_ born five years too early +_ you didn't do a good job explaining to me why someone would think that being bullied into selective silence doesn't constitute a conflict strategy +_ "counterfactual boyfriend"/It's California in the year 2016?? +_ mention Michael's influence and South Park recs in late 2016? +_ footnote to explain why I always include the year with the month even though it could be inferred from context _ update "karma at press time" _ better explain "lie inflation" ambiguity _ Facing Reality @@ -2661,3 +2640,66 @@ https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/should-we-fear-ai-james-w-phillips-and-eliez https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1680166329209466881 > I am increasingly worried about what people start to believe in after they stop believing in Me + +https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1683659276471115776 +> from a contradiction one may derive anything, and this is especially true of contradicting Eliezer Yudkowsky + +https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/1683694475644923904 +> I don't do that sort of ridiculous drama for the same reason that Truman didn't like it. I don't have that kind of need to be at the center of the story, that I'd try to make the disaster be about myself. + + + +------ + +I'm thinking that for controversial writing, it's not enough to get your friends to pre-read, and it's not enough to hire a pro editor, you probably also need to hire a designated "hostile prereader" + + + +-------- + +[revision comment] + +The fifth- through second-to-last paragraphs of the originally published version of this post were bad writing on my part. + +I was summarizing things Ben said at the time that felt like an important part of the story, without adequately + +I've rewritten that passage. Hopefully this version is clearer. + +--------- + +[reply to Wei] + + +---------- + +Ben explained: Yudkowsky had set in motion a marketing machine (the "rationalist community") that was continuing to raise funds and demand work from people for below-market rates based on the claim that while nearly everyone else was criminally insane (causing huge amounts of damage due to disconnect from reality, in a way that would be criminal if done knowingly), he, almost uniquely, was not. "Work for me or the world ends badly," basically. If the claim was true, it was important to make, and to actually extract that labor. + +But we had just falsified to our satisfaction the claim that Yudkowsky was currently sane in the relevant way (which was a extremely high standard, and not a special flaw of Yudkowsky in the current environment). If, after we had _tried_ to talk to him privately, Yudkowsky couldn't be bothered to either live up to his own stated standards or withdraw his validation from the machine he built, then we had a right to talk about what we thought was going on. + +This wasn't about direct benefit _vs._ harm. This was about what, substantively, the machine and its operators were doing. They claimed to be cultivating an epistemically rational community, while in fact building an army of loyalists. + +Ben compared the whole set-up to that of Eliza the spambot therapist in my short story ["Blame Me for Trying"](/2018/Jan/blame-me-for-trying/): regardless of the initial intent, scrupulous rationalists were paying rent to something claiming moral authority, which had no concrete specific plan to do anything other than run out the clock, maintaining a facsimile of dialogue in ways well-calibrated to continue to generate revenue. Minds like mine wouldn't survive long-term in this ecosystem. If we wanted minds that do "naïve" inquiry (instead of playing savvy power games) to live, we needed an interior that justified that level of trust. + +----- + +I mostly kept him blocked on Twitter (except when doing research for this document) to curb the temptation to pick fights, but I unblocked him in July 2023 because it was only fair to let him namesearch my promotional Tweet of pt. 2, which named him. I then ended up replying to a thread with him and Perry Metzinger, but only because I was providing relevant information, similar to how I had left a few "Less Wrong reference desk"-style messages in Eliezerfic in 2023 + +it got 16 Likes +https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1682100362357121025 + +I miss this Yudkowsky— + +https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cgrvvp9QzjiFuYwLi/high-status-and-stupidity-why +> I try in general to avoid sending my brain signals which tell it that I am high-status, just in case that causes my brain to decide it is no longer necessary. In fact I try to avoid sending my brain signals which tell it that I have achieved acceptance in my tribe. When my brain begins thinking something that generates a sense of high status within the tribe, I stop thinking that thought. + +---- + +I thought I should have avoided the 2022 Valinor party to avoid running into him, but I did end up treating him in a personality-cultish way when I was actually there + +"Ideology is not the movement" had specifically listed trans as a shibboleth + +https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1684947017502433281 +> Keir Starmer agrees that a woman is an adult human female. Will Ed Davey also rejoin the real world, science & the English language by reversing his view that a woman can "quite clearly" have a penis? Inability to face reality in small things bodes ill for more serious matters. + +Analysis of my writing mistake (show this to Jackie!!) +https://twitter.com/shroomwaview/status/1681742799052341249